nvrYesterday saw all Europa Cup games being played with 6 refs. Platini is determined to have this in CL games next year.
I am big advocate of video refereeing and find this new approach a bit daft. Take Everton v AEK game. The ref got a penalty and sending off decison wrong for Everton. There were 2 pairs of eyes watching the incidents and yet they managed to get it wrong.
Am I missing the point? Will this scheme work?
18.09.2009
FeriAtsIt's a step in the right direction. Divers generally exploit the fact that refs cannot see what's happening from their angles. Now they have to think twice.
Though, it felt a bit odd to see them standing there.
18.09.2009
Robert O'CarlosVideo technology would be great for checking on incidents after the fact, but would not help the referee in spotting anything that might need referring in the first place. For me, it's an unhappy halfway house.
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20.09.2009
nvrYou have very valid point about which incidents video ref would help. So is it 6 refs plus video? Maybe like American football?
20.09.2009
Robert O'CarlosIntroducing video replays at any level could only be useful. Shouldn't be a problem at the top level of football - it's just about balancing the need against the viability/cost lower down.
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20.09.2009
SpaceGhostThe difference between American football and Association football is the stoppage of play, which gives American football good opportunities to utilize video. The opportunity would be less so, but could help with a few things.
It would be nice to check all questionable goals to make sure they were or weren not goals. And it would be nice for stomping out dirty/violent play that occurs when the ref isn't looking. For example, when play stops one of the refs could calmly jog to the far side of the field and book a defender who took a cheap shot at a forward that was missed by the refs on the field.
Maybe with offsides that are missed the goal can be called back, and when it is called unnecessarily get a set piece?
20.09.2009
Robert O'CarlosDoes anybody know the specifics on how Prozone works? Is it something that runs during the actual game? Couldn't be that hard to integrate it into the game if it was.
21.09.2009
nvrIsn't Prozone the piece of kit they use for post match analysis?
A couple of cams with rewind and fastforward would suffice. It needn't be space tech.
23.09.2009
Robert O'CarlosTo be honest, if FIFA, UEFA or anyone else is going to go down the route of shelling out for 2 extra refs, they might as well be shelling out for 2 camera operators instead.
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I don't know much about Prozone but it seems to be software that plots the position of players and ball at any given moment. Might at least help with offside and ball crossing the line situations. Is it something built up from replays after the fact then?
23.09.2009
nvrThe fact that we don't see them used in live broadcasts suggests that it builds up from replays. But that's just a guess, I might be totally off the mark.
I doubt this has anything to do with the costs. It's just Blatter and his cronies...
23.09.2009
sotofutbolLeave the refeering alone 6 refs is none sense the more eyes the more opportunities for different interpretation of the rule ONE good ref and 2 linemen is all the game needs and i guess the 4th to keep hoolihan coaches on their boxes. and FORGET ABout replays and reviews. People around the world do not care to buy 1000034t4uy6 million products. They waht to see the games not the ads. Come on it is enough with American Football and even Baseball. The human factor (whether right or wrong)is what makes this game the GAME OF THE WORLD. Accesable to all. You want new tech? Chip the ball and go for goal (Chip get it?)
24.09.2009
Robert O'CarlosNot sure what you're point is there, Sotofutbol. Are you saying that TV coverage of football should be simplified or limited?
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If so, I'm not at all sure what that has to do with using extra referees.
26.09.2009
Robert O'CarlosJust an addendum to this one.
Fulham v. Roma on the 22nd October. A player brought down for a penalty, the ref gives the wrong player a red card for the offence on the advice of the goalline assistant who was about 5 yards away. The ref subsequently gave the red card to the right player after that player owned up. This happened after the replays had cleared the debacle up.
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Obviously not a foolproof method then.
:-D
23.10.2009
