RedrebelIt's time England changed from the 4-4-2 to the 4-3-3 or something different. They have the players necessary to excel and succeed with this formation. Also I've read that when Lampard and Gerrard play together they don't make England play very good because one has to hold midfield and the other attack. So, than why not put Carrick to hold midfield and let Lampard and Gerrard do what they wish? Some of you might put other striker in the place of Defoe, but Defoe is just an option.
FeriAtsRecipe for disaster. Defoe is not a target striker. Boy, don't we miss Shearer?
Lamps and Gerard do not play well together. Neville is so yesterday, Richards beat him hands down.
RedrebelI said Defoe was just an option, and so was Neville, but that is the reason I put Carrick so Lampard and Gerrard can do whatever they want.
Robert O'CarlosI've been saying that the way to allow Gerrard and Lampard to play effectively is in a 4-3-3 setup for years. Glad to know I'm not alone in that opinion!
I'd have to agree with FeriAts though. Neville has been the best right back England has had, but I think his time is over now. And I think I'd probably go with Rooney in the middle and Bentley/Wright-Phillips/Walcott on the right. The problem then is that Rooney doesn't play at his best if he's the point man, so I'd allow him some movement and try and get the front 5 making runs and playing a very fluid system.
Interesting that nobody is saying Owen up front. Is that Owen's England career done, do you think?
FeriAtsIt's not only about defending. Lampard and Gerard are so alike in their game that they get on each others way on the pitch. There's the leadership issue as well; both want to establish themselves as they did in their clubs.
Owen will not get a cap without having 10 uninterrupted league games under his belt. I like Capello's philosophy here.
Robert O'CarlosAnd what better way to allow both Lampard and Gerrard the space they need to play than to widen their space by playing a midfield 3 rather than 4, and to take away the need for one of them to sit if the other goes forward by playing a holding midfielder?
I agree with you about Owen. It was good to see Keegan trying to change his style of play, but I'm not sure we'll see him in an England shirt again. At least, not for more than 1 or 2 games.
FeriAtsHow about having one of them on the pitch and one on the bench? It's not their god given right to play, is it?
Robert O'CarlosDown, boy!
Okay, so you don't like the idea of Lampard and Gerrard on the same pitch. Your choice.
This formation isn't designed purely and simply for the sake of 2 players. Seeing as the only trouble they've had playing together for England is as I've described above, and given that they're widely accepted as the best central midfielders England has currently got, I personally think it's a spot on idea to try to accomodate them both by giving them the freedom and extra space of a midfield 3. Which is my choice.
FeriAtsWould you try to play both if you had the best left backs in the world available to you? No, you'd drop one. Why force it for central mids? It disturbs the balance of the team. What England needs is a proper text book 442, where everyone knows what they have to do as the back of their hands. This is not club football, you do not have much time to establish a new game plan, so stick with what everybody already knows. Too pragmatic?
Robert O'CarlosFeriAts, I'm not looking to start a slanging match here. I'm one of the nice guys! So this is meant in the spirit of healthy (but friendly) debate.
Your last comment doesn't quite makes sense, to me at least. We'd be talking about 2 positions in this 'theoretical' formation. So you could accomodate both players. Whereas you only have 1 left back position. To me, that's pragmatism.
Also, I'd have to point out that neither Chelsea or Liverpool play a 4-4-2. So, while I agree that Gerrard and Lampard might not have worked with that system, this 'theoretical' system is a 4-3-3. Chelsea play a similar system so Lampard should know what he's doing. And Gerrard has displayed the quality to play in several different systems on many occasions.
And, lest we forget, a certain Jose Mourinho tried to buy Gerrard to play alongside Lampard in front of a holding midfielder.
FeriAtsIt's not personal. Sorry, if I made it sound so. I just have bad taste in my mouth from these two during the "A wally with the brolly" era.
RedrebelSo, why not let Capello try the 4-3-3 with Lampard and Gerrard, we are not going to know if it works till they try it.
azizulformasi yang bagus hanya ada beberapa pemain yang perlu dirotasi misal saja Richards untuk defender right,dan memasang ashley young yang sedang dalam kondisi top..he8
RedrebelWhat language is that?
Freddywhy dont we put peter crouch with wayne roneey and joe cole