433Is this the correct field positioning for a 3-4-3 Diamond
29.10.2009
FeriAtsYou'd probably have central defenders in plac of yor LB and RB. You wouldn't really want to face the opponent with just one sweeper.
30.10.2009
RoberticusYour LB and RB don't need to be centre-backs. If they are, then it's best that they are very quick and comfortable with coming out to defend on the flanks. In fact, originally this system was a Dutch variant of 4-3-3 in which a libero (alongside a centre-back) would come out with the ball to distribute from the base of midfield (DM). THerefore, the full-backs remained part of the back line. But bear in mind that full-backs of 20 years ago tended to be more conservative than those of today (Evra, Alves, Bosingwa etc) and so were equally comfortable defending central as well as wide areas. You most definitely wouldn't want Brazilian-style full/wing-backs forming part of a back three. Better if you have a mobile centre-back/defensive full-back like Gary Neville, Carles Puyol, Ivanovic, Arbeloa ,etc.
01.11.2009
FeriAtsSuggesting that Neville can play as a central defender might cause a surge in number of heart diseases among Old Trafford faithfuls. Be careful there :)
I guess Lucas Neill and Micah Richards are the defenders who can also play centrally these days. But even them look a bit awkward doing that.
03.11.2009
Robert O'CarlosGary Neville at the back???
:-o
I'd rather have Coloccini ... wearing a blindfold.
04.11.2009
SpaceGhostIt always confuses me when someone insists that a back 3 means 3 CB's. To me, a CB is a defender who has another defender on both his left and his right. It doesn't matter if this is another CB, or a side back. Fullback or wingback. In this case the best staffing for the position may be a hybrid defender who is equally comfortable inside and outside. Not unlike DM who are hybrids that could serve double duty in midfield or the back line. Song probably fits the bill in that regard.
07.11.2009
Robert O'CarlosI know what you mean, SpaceGhost, and it is just a case of titles. I guess we are used to thinking that 'right/left back' denotes a speedy overlapping player, maybe not so hot defensively - someone in the Daniel Alves mould. You'd probably have to go back to the 80s to find widespread examples of fullbacks being defenders first and foremost.
08.11.2009
SpaceGhostOr the U.S. National Team. Our fullbacks have been clearly defense focused - in part because we've fielded CB's in the left back position of a flat four.
But tactically, the U.S. probably is in the 80s, so maybe that proves your point.
:P
08.11.2009
jmancubsfanDoes anybody else on here ever have a moment where you think that all these formations are really almost the same thing? I read the comments about this formation evolving from a 4-3-3 and started thinking about how if you pulled that DM back as a center back it would like an advanced 4-2-3-1. Isn't it amazing how some of these formations will change and positions will be redefined and yet you'll look at a formation today and it's looks very similar to something many years ago?
25.11.2009
Sweeper5My understanding of this formation under Van Gaal was that they man marked, which was common at the time. How would the formation work with a zonal defense? Specifically, who would defend wide on the flanks? I haven't been able to see Chile play.
29.11.2009
